I love the idea of this, but I don't agree with everyone saying this eats into Abstract - at least not until they offer merging files. @emanuelsa Is comparison, merge/diff and resolving on the roadmap? I for one would love to leave Abstract.
@emanuelsa@jesse_wallace I am with you. I would love to leave Abstract for an integrated solution with Sketch. Ideally would include task management as well.
Axure RP is my advanced prototyping tool of choice, and I'm pretty happy with it, especially the version 9 additions (an Inspect tool, better commenting functionality). Why doesn't Sketch let you easily put a border on only some sides of a shape? (or am I missing it?) Seems so simple to implement. grrr
@coreywstone@pablostanley good catch! I misread Corey comment :) Having a 1 side only border would be valuable. For now I usually hack those one-sided borders with shadows.
sketch is losing audience because of its pricing, I don’t understand why I need to pay $99 when I can use a more stable and more functional tools like Figma FOR FREE, as i see sketch team must DO MORE than just "team" mode, lol sketch... lol
@mpavlukevich Not even Product Hunt is free from trolling. Sketch is a totally stable product. Sketch is also cash flow positive, whereas Figma is all VC funded, with growing revenue. There are definite trade-offs and preferences amongst people, but the problems aren't easy to solve, especially when talking native apps.
@mpavlukevich I think people are willing to pay money for a tool if it's worth the cost. Sketch has been invaluable for years, but competitors are catching up. Adobe XD is free and can not only compete with Sketch on features, it's less buggy and is growing exponentially. I think their biggest mistake was not expanding to Windows, but also not fixing all of the bugs that have plagued Sketch for years now.
If anything I think this will hurt Abstract's business more than Figma's. I still think Sketch is a better product, but the fact that Figma is browser based, free, and has real-time collaboration still has it standing out from Sketch. Plus, when plugins come to Figma it'll get much more interesting...
@josefrichter1 You just design together in a single file and have no worries about overriding or working on something old. It just works without any effort.
@hunterbecton I agree. Feels like in the (not so distant) future you're either going to own the whole design workflow or own none of it. Which is the reason Invision invested so much into Studio. Tools like Zeplin, Abstract, Avocode, etc. will have less and less of a place.
@josefrichter1@hunterbecton real time collaboration is also great when commenting on things... often it will trigger 2-4 ppl making small modifications while using Comments or slack to discuss. Basically an impromptu design review on in-progress work in small chunks of time.
It’s not really for large scale collaborations, but being able to do real time collaboration completely changes how you use the tool and the team dynamic. Hard to really get it until you experience it. (Aside from avoiding the nightmare of managing multiple versions of files, which is an obvious pain).
@hunterbecton@josefrichter1 while it fell to the wayside, axure handled that very well. you could "check out" specific screens or masters from a file, allowing others to work on other parts of the same the file.
Tried Figma , didn't like it. Sketch just better suits my needs. Lot of people say Figma is faster. Not for me. I use Sketch for several years already and this team feature just made it even better.
Amazing.
Not sure this digs into Figma as much as it eats Abstract. I wonder when/if they will break the ability to version outside of Sketch Teams.
Also... "cloud inspect" is probably going to eat any handoff solution.
@hazelsong2 More like _instead_. A paid Teams seat comes with a Sketch license, for basically the same price. It's really poorly communicated, but basically it's switching from a person owning the license to the _team_ owning the license.
@ahmet_bektes Sketch Teams is a generic implementation, I don’t think it will hurt Abstract for people using it in the way it’s meant to be used. But for teams that find Abstract confusing (or bogged down by slow commits) it could.
@ahmet_bektes We have been using for about 2 years and sadly have to say its progressively getting worse, our product has slowed heavily due to the resources required, and sync speed. also the cost for small teams is excessive.
@ridderingand_ I would've expected that, but it seems that there's no real-time collaboration and no annotations (comments which are tied to a certain element in the file).
The lack of identifier of cloud and library syncing being saved is frustrating to say the least, I never know if the cloud is uploading my saved document or not (and no the cloud icon doesn't update). Also libraries don't update documents I can not longer open symbols it constantly asks me to unlink the symbol.
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