Feross Aboukhadijeh

Wormhole - Simple, fast, and private file sharing ✨

✨ Wormhole – the fastest way to send files ✨
Wormhole lets you share files with end-to-end encryption and a link that automatically expires.
Send a file in just 2 seconds: https://wormhole.app

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Feross Aboukhadijeh
🤩 Exciting news! I'm ready to share the project I've been working on for the past 2 months. ✨ Wormhole – the fastest way to send files ✨ Wormhole lets you share files with end-to-end encryption and it's super fast. Our #1 goal was speed – you should be able to get a link to send in less than 2 seconds. Everything is end-to-end encrypted and the server never knows anything about your files. It supports instant streaming (no need to wait for your files to upload to the cloud before you can send the link to your recipient), super fast P2P transfer over local networks, and 24 hour file hosting so the link keeps working even after you close the site. Give it a shot and please tell me what you think! Send a file in 2 seconds: https://wormhole.app Read our manifesto: https://wormhole.app/about Read our security design: https://wormhole.app/security
Jay Holtslander
@feross God I wish this was open source. Been looking for something like this for a while that’s white label.
Feross Aboukhadijeh
@j_holtslander What do you need the whitelabel version for? Send me an email and we can chat
Ferminrp
The product looks great, but I was wondering ... How are you planning on monetizing it?
Feross Aboukhadijeh
@ferminrp We're planning to introduce a Pro plan for sending extremely large files.
Giuseppe
@ferminrp @feross another feature idea for Pro would be extended lifetime for the files (or even custom)
Feross Aboukhadijeh
@ferminrp @giuseppegurgone Great suggestion, we'll add it to the list.
Darren T Jansen
@ferminrp @giuseppegurgone @feross might be good to include white label in the pro plan. This looks like a good solution for a problem that my company is facing.
Feross Aboukhadijeh
@ferminrp @giuseppegurgone @darren_t_jansen Can you send me an email to (my first name AT my first name DOT org) with information about what problem your company is trying to solve? Thanks!
Ethan
Wow, this looks amazing!! How do you plan on making sure that it doesn't go the same way as Firefox Send did? (also, that animation when you upload is sooo cool 😍)
Feross Aboukhadijeh
@booligoosh I think Firefox Send shut down because of abuse. We'll deal with that when it becomes an issue. But we have some ideas. We'll add a "Report" button which allows the reporter to send us the bad files for analysis and ban IPs which continually send reported files. More speculatively, we can include client-side malware scanning and use fancy crypto to attest to the server that the files have passed the scan before we authorize upload. Worst case if it came down to it, we could require an account to send files, but we want to avoid that if we can. End-to-end encrypted messaging apps like Signal manage to fight abuse without access to their user's messages, so we know there must be a way.
Emin Deniz
UI is very good, thanks. QR code can be beneficial instead of the only URL, when transferring files between desktop and mobile phone. I am using https://drop.lol/ . I love the easy-to-use functionality. It is not a direct alternative for wormhole, It transfers files directly between clients.
Feross Aboukhadijeh
@emindeniz99 Thanks for the great suggestion to add QR code support. We'll do that in the coming days.
Maji
This product is amazing! I have been looking for something like that for hours!
Feross Aboukhadijeh
@steeven_regnault Perfect. I'm really happy that you found Wormhole. Hope it helps you out.
Alan Roy
This is super cool dude!
Feross Aboukhadijeh
@alan_roy1 Thank you! Appreciate the kind words.
Alfonso Perez
Looks great!.. I wish the background (the rotating one) didn't make me VERY dizzy, though :D
Feross Aboukhadijeh
@alfonsopereze We're going to add an option to disable it, as well as detect your operating system's "prefer reduced motion" setting, if you've set that.
Feross Aboukhadijeh
@alfonsopereze We just added support for reduced motion! https://twitter.com/Wormhole_App...
Robin
?makers Cool UI/UX and overall a great Product! Is the wormhole graphic/animation open source? If yes, where can I find it :)? If no, can you make it open source :D? it's so brilliant!! All the best and keep up the good work
Harsh Gelda
Saw this tool a while ago and saved it to the browser. Tried it for the first time today and I was unable to download the received files through the link. It would be great if you could look into this :(
Feross Aboukhadijeh
@harsh_gelda Did you receive an error? What browser are you using?
Feross Aboukhadijeh
@harsh_gelda Are you sure that you waited until the files were fully uploaded before you closed the tab on the sender side? Also, how large were the files? We don't store files larger than 5GB on our servers – so for those you'll need to keep your browser open on the sender side.
Feross Aboukhadijeh
@harsh_gelda Okay, we're looking into this. Thank you.
Steffen Wendt
Can you touch a little bit on privacy and encryption? For example if I send a file to a user....? Looks awessssommmeee by the way 🙏🏻
Feross Aboukhadijeh
@dudehere We have a lot more information about our philosophy here: https://wormhole.app/about and about our security design here: https://wormhole.app/security
Jan Mazurek
Does it work similar to "tor network"?
Feross Aboukhadijeh
@jan_mazurek We don't use onion routing like Tor -- we're not trying to hide your identity from the person you're sending files to. But we do use end-to-end encryption, which, of course, is used in Tor and also lots of other places too.
Lalit Pandey
Just tried Wormhole and damn! it's crazy fast Feross. Love it.
Feross Aboukhadijeh
@lalit_pandey1 Thank you Lalit! Speed was our #1 priority. We think you can have security and a good user experience at the same time.
Vas
Congrats on the launch! So the main difference from wetransfer etc. is speed, right? But this is mainly due to instant streaming or not?
Feross Aboukhadijeh
@vasgo Wormhole is faster than other services because it uses peer to peer transfer. That means when you're sending files between two devices on the same network the files don't have to go Up to the cloud and then back down to your recipients device. They can get sent right over your home network. Also, wormhole gives you a link to share to your recipient within a second or two. No need to wait for the file to fully upload to the cloud before you can get a share link to send. Just copy the link and send it, and let the file upload keep going in the background.
Ivanna Wendel
Well done! Congrats on the launch!
Mandeep
@feross slightly confused here (reading https://wormhole.app/security). If the point of this is meant to be trustless (in the sense that you don't have to trust the server), then surely you can just get the secret key using window.location.hash and then decode the contents of the files?
Feross Aboukhadijeh
@mandeep But isn't this true of products like 1Password and LastPass too? Couldn't they just steal your master password when you type it in? I publish open source software that is downloaded 500 million times per month and is used in almost every JavaScript project. If you find any security issues with the design or the implementation, you can report the issue to us and we'll promptly fix it and offer you bug bounty reward.
Mandeep
@feross Hmm... I guess so. I suppose I personally find it hard to wrap my head around secure methods that aim to (effectively) reduce the trust one has to place in the service provider, but suffer from that fatal flaw I mention. The way I see it: with Dropbox, whilst they have the private key, one trusts them not to go around reading people's files casually. IMO the same applies to services like this; one has to trust the operator isn't going to introduce malicious JS. Maybe I just have a weird, minority perspective on this. In any case, the product – and particularly the UI – looks great. I think what I particularly like, compared to Dropbox/GDrive/etc, is not the security aspect but the no-account-necessary, speedy drag-and-drop a file and immediately see the link. It works super fast with no hassle. Wish you the best of luck with the project :)
Feross Aboukhadijeh
@mandeep I totally understand your perspective. Auditing a web app is always a challenging prospect, but I think that what we're aiming to do counts for something. For example, I trust 1Password more than other password management services because they claim to employ end-to-end encryption, even though I can't fully verify that fact when I use their web interface. It's still better than a service that doesn't make any such claim. That said, we want to do more to re-assure users with concerns similar to yours. We're going to open source the cryptography code and explore building other types of client frontends, including potentially a CLI client, so you can be more sure that the code hasn't changed out from under you when using Wormhole. And I totally agree with you re the user interface and no accounts needed. The truth is that, for most people, an app with better security or privacy alone isn't ten times better than an insecure or un-private alternative. Most people just don't understand or care about the details of the apps they use. This may be starting to change, but to make an app that is truly "better" for most people, you need more than just better privacy and security. The app, holistically, needs to be ten times better.
Lauren Proctor
Awesome! I'm so excited to make use of this.
Feross Aboukhadijeh
@laurenproctor32 Nice, please let us know what you think!
Christophe Hamerling
This is wonderful. Thanks for this!
Feross Aboukhadijeh
@chamerling You got it, Christophe. No problem!
Deni Pesto
I admire your product! It inspires me. It is a pleasure to use. Good luck to you!
Feross Aboukhadijeh
@denipesto Thank you Deni. Appreciate the kind words.
Darren T Jansen
Very cool! How is this monetized?
Feross Aboukhadijeh
@darren_t_jansen We plan to introduce a Pro plan with additional features like sending much larger files.