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  • What's your take on the call to pause GPT-4.5/GPT-5?

    Ryan T - Dezbor.com
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    Some tech leaders have called for a pause on the development of advanced AI systems like GPT-4.5 and GPT-5. What do you think? Sources: - https://twitter.com/GaryMarcus/status/1640884040835428357 - https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-03-29/ai-leaders-urge-labs-to-stop-training-the-most-advanced-models

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    Jason Diller
    it's great marketing.
    Ksenia Larina (she/her)
    StartupSoft's Teams Digest
    StartupSoft's Teams Digest
    @jasondiller can you elaborate? For whose benefit?
    Jason Diller
    @kay_larina open AI... it gives users and "prospects" an idea of how big of a deal this is and will be... sooner vs later ... And yes, also why they teach business ethics first in business school.
    Ksenia Larina (she/her)
    StartupSoft's Teams Digest
    StartupSoft's Teams Digest
    @jasondiller hm… makes sense if they needed to shift the understanding of the AI as “not just a way to make 10 basic apps a day” But kind of… too complicated? And also, the letter makes AI sound evil, not sure it’s the goal for OpenAI and other teams 🤷🏻
    Lyondhür Picciarelli
    Six months moratorium sounds suspiciously specific a pause, does it not? Sounds the Horse Trade when they saw Henry Ford getting it done. Sorry, ain’t happening.
    Eraj Ismatulloev
    This call to action isn't completely clear. What's the objective really? Who are the right people/institutions to do this pause? What can the 6 months timeline do? Other companies/countries are developing their own, do they have to pause as well or is it just Open AI/USA?
    Jose Barrera
    I do agree. Unfortunately AI at this scale is too powerful of a tool to run it without guard rails. If we let capitalism get it's dirty hands on it we'll definitely end up with Skynet. Belee dat.
    Vlad Zivkovic
    We should make sure it progress faster so we can have cheaper way of doing stuff instead of paying people to do it...
    Abdullah Abdulkareem
    Enna Health 1.0: Chemo Symptom Tracker
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    I mean... when the person spearheading the movement is also poaching OpenAI employees to build a competitor it tells me that it's just companies trying to catch up to OpenAI and get an edge. It's game theory, nobody has the incentive to stop, everyone has the incentive to be the first mover
    Matthew Dooley
    Just rich people desperate to play catch-up.
    Mélodie Girardo
    I think this is ridiculous ! Especially when you see which people are asking for it !
    Anthony Susanto
    100% disagree. It's like oldschool sellers protest on E-commerce.
    Richard Gao
    Strongly disagree Feels like a way to stifle the competition
    Vlad Panin
    Are some companies fighting for extra six months to catch up with OpenAI? Yes! Clearly. Is It Unfair? Hmmm... Google R&D guys made a gift of a lifetime for OpenAI. They opened research empowering the IT community to make great products around it. What OpenAI did?! - pretended to be a non-profit organization, and then BOOM - commercialized it via Google's competitor #1. They hide technical details of the latest release, started fight-race with Google Search for monopoly, launched their own moderated "App Store" (soon collecting tribute from all authors), and implemented "sponsored true" in the search engines claiming OpenAI is just an LLM, while clearly, it's content aggregator... Yes. These papers are not about the danger of AGI. It's about community culture that pushes innovation forward and opportunists who exploit the openness of the community to dominate the market.
    Carmela Padasas
    disagree, why 6 months pause 🫠
    Chris Williams
    Strongly disagree. It feels dishonest and deliberately playing to irrational fears to pretend that a sophisticated word prediction model is somehow a threat. These AI tools aren't being built to replicate human emotion, agency, or autonomy. They predict the next word in a sequence based on probability after consuming an enormous dataset. Musk and the others are trying to slow that progress by fearmongering and assuming the average person doesn't understand the basis of this AI explosion.
    Tim Schneider
    Tech alarmists, disengenuous at best, ulterior motives at worst.
    Valorie Jones
    Conversa - Videos That Talk back
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    While large language models may have both positive effects (increased productivity) and negative effects (climate effects, proliferation of unsourced media) and wide-ranging economic impacts, the letter doesn't really propose any concrete actions on how to address any of these concerns, short of an indeterminate pause. Also, bigger models exclusively mean better models. Part of solution will be new models that have more validation and safety checks built in, and to find new ways more efficient methods of training and evaluating these models.
    Mark | Paid Ad Templates
    They want it to pause so they can work on their own. I doubt their concerns are sincere just business as usual.
    Ksenia Larina (she/her)
    StartupSoft's Teams Digest
    StartupSoft's Teams Digest
    @timesaverhacks yep. Whenever I see Musk being against something these days, automatic 🚩🚩🚩
    Rishabh R
    Some business owners are signing this for the benefits of themselves and others who have real fear about what will happen if this keep going
    Pascal Krebs
    Let's say I would open a store where you could buy everything with no limits for just 20 USD / month. I think we could agree - that this by itself would not be innovative. But still everyone would think it was innovative and would want to buy stuff there just to avoid paying "fair" prices elsewhere. Also no one would care where these products came from - and why my store can sell them for just 20/month. Maybe I stole the products from other stores. Maybe I bought them from factories with absoluetly no social and ehtical commitments. Or maybe my store is full with counterfeits. As long as no one asks - theres no problem. The AI companies are doing just that - stealing content from other "stores" and selling them for human unworthy prices. They try to hide that fact by focusing on the "innovation" Part. I agree, that the idea of interacting with the "web" via chat maybe somewhat of an innovation - but we are all just blinded by the absoluetly unrealistic prices for which we can get content now. If midjourney had to compensate the creators of the content from which midjourney "learns" - the prices of a midjourney subscription would be way higher. So yes - we need a short break, to talk about that. I'm on producthant every day - and I love innovation. But at the moment many of the AI tools are not innovations - but just an example of the ruthlessness of some entrerpreneurs.
    Trey Cannon
    @pascal_krebs1 I totally agree with your points. Maybe if we get time to breathe a bit other people can catch up and actually work on development. I believe too much hype for a product or idea will make the bubble pop much faster.